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A Nizami  
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 Opsi lainnya 25 Sep 2007, 12:38
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Tanggal: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
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Perihal: [ppiindia] Ahmadinejad Dihina di Columbia University

Presiden Iran Ahmadinejad menghadiri undangan diskusi
di Columbia University.

Dari sini kita bisa melihat betapa primitif dan
kampungannya orang-orang AS. Presiden George W Bush
tidak setuju takut orang2 AS terpengaruh. Sementara
Profesor Lee Bollinger yang mengundang mengeluarkan
kata-kata hinaan yang tak sesuai etika seperti
menghina Ahmadinejad sebagai picik dan kejam.

Saya sendiri pernah berdebat dengan beberapa orang2 AS
di internet. Pertama mereka menuliskan kata2 kebon
binatang. Begitu saya menulis dengan tenang sambil
menyindir, wah bagus sekali attitude dan manner anda,
apakah ibu anda yang mengajari?

Baru mereka sadar dan menanggapi argumen saya dengan
serius.

Dalam stereotipe sebagian besar orang2 AS, orang Islam
itu adalah teroris, biadab, bodoh, dsb. Jadi jika ada
orang Islam yang tenang yang dengan mudah mematahkan
argumen-argumen mereka, mereka jadi bingung sendiri.
Kok ternyata tidak seperti itu ya. Barangkali itu
pikir mereka...:)

Ketika dikatakan bahwa Iran menghukum mati orang2
homoseksual, Ahmadinejad menanggapi dengan santai.
"Siapa yang mengatakan itu? Di negara kami tidak ada
orang2 homo seperti di negara anda. Jadi tidak ada
kejadian itu". Begitu jawab Ahmadinejad yang disambut
gerr oleh para peserta diskusi.

Salam

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_re_us/iran_us
 Ahmadinejad questions 9/11, Holocaust

By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
defended Holocaust revisionists and raised questions
about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks in a tense
showdown Monday at Columbia University, where the
school's head introduced the hard-line leader by
calling him a "petty and cruel dictator."

Ahmadinejad portrayed himself as an intellectual and
argued that his administration respected reason and
science. But the former engineering professor,
appearing shaken and irate over he called "insults"
from his host, soon found himself drawn into the type
of rhetoric that has alienated American audiences in
the past.

He provoked derisive laughter by responding to a
question about Iran's execution of homosexuals by
saying: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in
your country ... I don't know who's told you that we
have this."

Columbia's president, Lee Bollinger, set the combative
tone in his introduction of Ahmadinejad: "Mr.
President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and
cruel dictator."

Ahmadinejad retorted that Bollinger's opening was "an
insult to information and the knowledge of the
audience here."

"There were insults and claims that were incorrect,
regretfully," Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of
falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. press
and politicians.

Ahmadinejad drew audience applause at times, such as
when he bemoaned the plight of the Palestinians. But
he often declined to offer the simple answers the
audience sought, responding instead with his own
questions or long statements about history and
justice.

Ahmadinejad has in the past called for Israel's
elimination. But his exact remarks have been disputed.
Some translators say he called for Israel to be "wiped
off the map," but others say that would be better
translated as "vanish from the pages of time" —
implying Israel would disappear on its own rather than
be destroyed.

Asked by an audience member if Iran sought the
destruction of Israel, Ahmadinejad did not answer
directly.

"We are friends of all the nations," he said. "We are
friends with the Jewish people. There are many Jews in
Iran living peacefully with security."

He also said Palestinians must determine their own
future.

Ahmadinejad's past statements about the Holocaust also
have raised hackles in the West, and were soundly
attacked by Bollinger.

"In a December 2005 state television broadcast, you
described the Holocaust as the fabricated legend,"
Bollinger told Ahmadinejad said in his opening
remarks. "One year later, you held a two-day
conference of Holocaust deniers."

Bollinger said that might fool the illiterate and
ignorant.

"When you come to a place like this, it makes you
simply ridiculous. The truth is that the Holocaust is
the most documented event in human history," he said.

Ahmadinejad denied he had questioned whether the
Holocaust occurred.

"Granted this happened, what does it have to do with
the Palestinian people?" he said.

But Ahmadinejad went on to say that he was defending
the rights of European academics imprisoned for
"questioning certain aspects" of the Holocaust, an
apparent reference to a small number who have been
prosecuted under national laws for denying or
minimizing the genocide.

"There's nothing known as absolute," Ahmadinejad said.
He said the Holocaust has been abused as a
justification for Israeli mistreatment of the
Palestinians.

"Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the
price for an event they had nothing to do with?" he
asked.

Asked why he had asked to visit the World Trade Center
site — a request denied by New York authorities —
Ahmadinejad said he wanted to express sympathy for the
victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Then he appeared to question whether al-Qaida was
responsible, saying more research was needed.

"If the root causes of 9/11 are examined properly —
why it happened, what caused it, what were the
conditions that led to it, who truly was involved, who
was really involved — and put it all together to
understand how to prevent the crisis in Iraq, fix the
problem in Afghanistan and Iraq combined," Ahmadinejad
said.

Bollinger drew strong criticism for inviting
Ahmadinejad to Columbia and had promised tough
questions in his introduction. But the stridency of
his attack on the Iranian leader took many by
surprise.

"You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly
uneducated," Bollinger told Ahmadinejad about the
leader's Holocaust denial. "Will you cease this
outrage?"

Bollinger's introduction was "very harsh," said Hamid
Dabashi, a professor of Iranian studies at Columbia
University.

"Inviting him and then turning around and alienating
and insulting an entire nation whose representative
this man happens to be is simply inappropriate," said
Dabashi, who also criticized Ahmadinejad.

Instead of addressing most of Bollinger's accusations
directly, Ahmadinejad offered quotes from the Quran
and criticism of the Bush administration and past
American governments, from warrant-less wiretapping to
the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in
Japan.

He closed his prepared remarks with a terse smile, to
applause and boos, before taking questions from the
audience.

In Iran, Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia could be
seen on Arabic satellite channels and state
television's Arabic-language service, but it did not
appear on channels that broadcast in Farsi, the
language of Iran.

Asked about his country's nuclear intentions,
Ahmadinejad insisted the program is peaceful, legal
and entirely within Iran's rights, despite attempts by
"monopolistic," "selfish" powers to derail it. "How
come is it that you have that right, and we can't have
it?" he added.

President Bush said Ahmadinejad's appearance at
Columbia "speaks volumes about, really, the greatness
of America."

He told Fox News Channel that if Bollinger considered
Ahmadinejad's visit an educational experience for
Columbia students, "I guess it's OK with me."

But conservatives on Capitol Hill were critical. Sen.
Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut,
said he thought the invitation to Ahmadinejad was a
mistake "because he comes literally with blood on his
hands."

Thousands of people jammed two blocks of 47th Street
across from the United Nations to protest
Ahmadinejad's visit to New York for the opening of the
U.N. General Assembly session. Organizers claimed a
turnout of tens of thousands. Police did not
immediately have a crowd estimate.

The speakers, most of them politicians and officials
from Jewish organizations, proclaimed their support
for Israel and criticized the Iranian leader for his
remarks questioning the Holocaust.

"We're here today to send a message that there is
never a reason to give a hatemonger an open stage,"
New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said.

Hundreds of protesters also assembled at Columbia.
Dozens stood near the lecture hall where Ahmadinejad
was scheduled to speak, linking arms and singing
traditional Jewish folk songs about peace and
brotherhood. A two-person band nearby played "You Are
My Sunshine."

Signs in the crowd displayed a range of messages,
including one reading: "We refuse to choose between
Islamic fundamentalism and American imperialism."

___

Associated Press writers Karen Matthews and Aaron
Clark contributed to this report.

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Nugroho Dewanto  
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 Opsi lainnya 25 Sep 2007, 13:00
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Perihal: Re: [ppiindia] Ahmadinejad Dihina di Columbia University

hehehe....

di iran dan saudi (seperti juga di belahan dunia lainnya),
seandainya pria bisa hamil, sudah banyak yang
menimang anak hahahaha....

btw, saya cocok dengan kutipan terakhir:
"We refuse to choose between Islamic fundamentalism
and American imperialism."

At 10:38 PM 9/24/2007 -0700, you wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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RM Danardono HADINOTO  
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 Opsi lainnya 25 Sep 2007, 21:34
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Tanggal: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:34:53 -0000
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Perihal: [ppiindia] Re: Ahmadinejad Dihina di Columbia University

Yuhuuu.. asal sesama agama aja bung Nizami langsung amninin... masak
iya ada negara gak ada homonya? Orang Timur Tengah lagi?

Bener mas, fundamentalism itu harus ditolak, agama apapun, negara
apapun, termasuk modelnya mbah Ba'ashir...

Salam anti fundamentalisme

Danardono

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Perihal: [ppiindia] Re: Ahmadinejad Dihina di Columbia University

Dari kunjungan Ahmadinejad ke Amrik, siapa yang jadi the loser? Ini
korannya Israel yang bilang.

ANALYSIS: The clear loser from Ahmadinejad's visit is Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=906890&con...

Memang mantep gaya debatnya Ahmadinejad, Gorgie Bushie aja sampai
ketakutan ditantang debat.

Meski direndahkan oleh Bollinger, tapi justru Ahmadinejad yang bisa
menarik simpati para mahasiswa Columbia University.

Saya yakin, kampus lain bakal dilarang sama Pemerintah Bush kalau mau
ngundang dia lagi. Too dangerous, bisa mbalikin opini orang, di negeri
mereka sendiri. Hihihi........

Empat jempol buat Ahmadinejad!!!!

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